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Poetry is one of the oldest literary forms and one of the most widely used literary forms. There are so many great examples from across the world, going back millennia. What has kept this literary form going strong for so long? What gets us interested in poetry? What keeps us interested in poetry? These are some of the questions I would like to explore this week, not as an amateur poet, but as a reader and lover of poetry.

We are often introduced to poetry very young in life. Rhyming is a great learning tool, or mnemonic, and it has long been used to teach children. From nursery rhymes to the fun, nonsensical hand-clap chants (or jump rope chants), to Dr. Suess’s tongue twisters and other children’s stories, poetry is often one of the first literary forms we encounter. Dr. Suess and nursery rhymes were great joys of mine as a child, and some days I will still happily sit down and read them outloud. They serve as a lovely reminder of the importance of whimsy and play, especially in the adult world.

As we grow older we leave these childish poems behind, and in my experience many forgo poetry after, unless they are required to read it for a class. I was fortunate that I discovered other poets as I grew. I moved from Suess, to Lewis Carroll, and eventually discovered Robert Frost, J.R.R. Tolkien, and Christina Rossetti. It wasn’t far from there to Elizabeth Barrett-Browning, Shakespeare, and Emily Dickinson. I didn’t equate all poems with the childish rhymes I so loved. I was also raised with a lot of music in my house, and was fascinated by the similarities between song lyrics and poems. As a result my love of poetry grew up with me.

What is it that continues to draw me to poetry? There are so many levels to this answer. As a busy adult, I love that many poems can be read and enjoyed in a smaller amount of time, than say a novel. But it is more than that, as there are short versions of other literary forms that I enjoy as well. Poetry fits into a special place in my heart though. There is something soulful about poetry, something magical in many ways. Poetry to me is thought and emotion distilled. Like a shot of liqueur poetry carries a powerful punch in its concise forms. The lyrical nature of poetry, tied as it is to the rhythm of words, reconnects me with the heartbeat of the universe. It can be a poem about riding a bike up a hill, a silly poem about nothing much at all, a brief capture of a moment in time, or the tale of an epic journey. All of them bring to me a sense of wonder and amazement. They all spark a reaction of some kind in my soul. That is why I still love poetry. That is why I am a poetry enthusiast.

The rest of this week I will be exploring topics of reading poetry. The joys of easter egg hunting (with and without annotated editions of poetry), enjoying the many layers that can be found in a poem (aka symbolism and poetry), and what makes a favorite poem a favorite. I cannot promise a post a day this week, but I will do three additional posts to this one. :)

Discussion: What drew you to poetry? What keeps you interested? What are good ways to share of love with non-poetry enthusiasts?

some thoughts

Date: 2012-03-26 07:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jjhunter
I am not one of those people who writes or reads poetry compulsively. I have to be creative, else I am half myself, but the media in which I am creative vary widely at any particular time. Still, there is something about poetry that keeps drawing me back. It helps that writing poetry can be so low tech - pen and a mini notebook is enough to keep me going for weeks at least - but there's more to it than that.

Expressing a concept, an experience, an emotion, or a particular perspective through the medium of poetry clarifies and condenses it. It can make what would otherwise be obscure accessible; it turns the private public and the public personal; it offers an alternative to prose that draws on linguistic effects to bring out the full power of individual words. Poetry is communication using as many channels as possible; it is love and mastery of language both.

In others' work, I am drawn to poets who surprise or delight me with their patterns of diction, the way they unlock their 'word-hoard'. I am in the odd position of writing more poems than I read (I feel like my work would likely improve if I reversed that ratio), so POETREE has been an introduction and a siren song both to a broader world that I am really still just beginning to explore.

Good ways to share love with non-poetry enthusiasts would include introducing them to the delight of memorizing poems and hearing them recited skillfully from memory. So often I feel like what gets in the way is a matter of technical reading comprehension; hearing poetry aloud bypasses any lingering literacy hesitations and emphasizes any inherent musicality in the lines. The reader/listener is aided in their comprehension by the extra channels of emotion and tone added by the reciter and can thus relax into the experience of the poem without worrying so much about whether they fully 'understand' it.

I also like broadening people's definitions of what poetry is. (Is it words on a page? on a bathroom wall? on a screen? in the air? Or perhaps a certain combination of autumn leaves glowing red and orange and yellow against a painfully blue sky, or the arresting song of nightingale, or the way a dancer moves down the grocery aisle at 4pm on a Thursday evening when you did not think there was grace to be found anywhere anymore.)

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On a side note: I like how you challenge the distinction I've been making here at POETREE between being a poetry enthusiast and being a poet, amateur or otherwise. Is it possible to be a poet and not be a poetry enthusiast? What does it mean to be a poet besides being one who writes poetry? Is it an occupation, a hobby, a way of looking at the world, some combination thereof or something entirely different? Food for thought.

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Wow - this turned into a mini essay. Good questions, [personal profile] alee_grrl!
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Edited (slight modification to final paragraph) Date: 2012-03-26 07:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-03-27 01:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] untonuggan
I have always been a reader of words, and I devoured everything that could be read around me. Books, comics, cereal boxes, the ingredients on a bottle of lotion...eventually I had to turn to poetry. The question was whether I would enjoy it.

I remember trying to read Shel Silverstein as a kid and not really "getting" it. Where was the story that I was looking for? However, I really enjoyed reading poems that were theoretically above the reading level of a 4th grader because they came in interesting-looking volumes and I loved the way the words rolled around in my mouth. I wasn't really sure what they meant, because often I was reading poets like Robert Burns or Shakespeare, whose language can be rather obscure.

In high school, I took a creative writing class. That was when I became a real poetry enthusiast, because I began writing poetry myself. I won't pretend my poetry was wonderful, but it was a lifeline in a very troubling period of my life (adolescence). In class we read a variety of different poets, and this was complemented in English class. I continued seeking out new and interesting poetry to explore until partway through college, when I abandoned it for more scholarly pursuits/writing. However, I have picked it back up again - both the reading and the writing.

I don't read as much classical poetry as I used to do. I tend to search out postmodern poets (there's a great poem about "fifi, the dangerous fag dog" that is one of my favorites right now) and folks on dreamwidth who are doing more experimental things. As I've begun to explore mindfulness, I've also grown to appreciate Haiku/Tanka more as forms.

So for me, I suppose, enjoying poetry is tied both to the enjoyment of the written word (and the spoken word) as well as the way a poem can express emotion so succinctly and heartwrenchingly.

Date: 2012-03-27 05:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ariestess
I've been a reader and writer all my life. I don't remember specifically when I first got into reading poetry, but it was quite early on. The earliest poem I remember writing was when I was about 15yo or so, so nearly 30 years ago.

I'm one of those people who needs to write or I go insane. It's in my blood. Poetry allows me the ability to work with far more visceral imagery and topics than prose tends to do. I'm not sure how it came to be that way, but there you go. I think it may have something to do with the more abbreviated format of poetry, when compared to prose.

Then again, I'm also one of those people that likes to add poetry into my prose when I have the chance. Or use poetry to tell a fannish story. That, for me, is one of the easier ways of exposing non-poetry enthusiasts to poetry. They don't always like it, but some find it very interesting.

Date: 2012-03-27 10:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ariestess
I've actually used poetry kind of extensively in at least one story now, which was the Babylon 5 story, Shattered Glass: A Journey. It was an interesting way of setting up the story, to say the least.

I've also written one poem that was basically the equivalent of a story for my DuVista girls...

Date: 2012-03-27 05:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bookblather
I'm another who was always a reader and a writer, my whole life. I read everything I could get my hands on, including poetry-- I still have a copy of Where the Sidewalk Ends that my babysitter gave to me when I was six. I drifted away from poetry as I got older, and then in college, partly thanks to the wonderful works of Paul Zarzyski, and a book of Billy Collins given to me by my high school librarian, I drifted back.

I've come to see prose as a panorama, a picture of everything around you in all its detail, where poetry is a pinhole camera, one small thing enlarged until it fills the world. Poetry has always been about moments for me, tiny moments captured and explored in the depth we simply don't have time to give them in the ordinary course of life. It's a chance for me to pause and delve deeply into my mind and the world I live in.

I particularly like ordered poetry-- sonnets, sestinas, cinquains, etherees-- because they sort the chaos into something recognizable, but all poetry has a calming effect.

Thoughts

Date: 2012-04-10 07:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
>>As we grow older we leave these childish poems behind, and in my experience many forgo poetry after, unless they are required to read it for a class.<<

Well, some people do. Others don't. I wouldn't necessarily call poetry for children "childish." Some of it is.

But Dr. Seuss? He wrote about topics so heavy that people have censored them -- things like racism and surrogate motherhood -- subtly hidden by weird creatures and whimsical phrasing. Plus his grasp of linguistics is masterful if you look at the specific combinations of consonants and vowels chosen for different poems; that's what makes them so popular, they feel good to read based on how they activate the language centers in the brain.

Shel Silverstein is another poet largely remembered for his children's poetry. His topics often deal with childhood experiences or perspectives, but he pulls in more family aspects. Also, his literary grasp is terrific, more sophisticated in vocabulary than Seuss, but with a touch of the same linguistic aptitude that pulls people into the poems.

There's nothing simplistic or childish about the top end of children's poetry, just because it's written for children. I still list those two as significant influences on my work. If you look at my rhymed poetry, or speculative poetry, and especially wordplay poems written just for the fun of pronouncing the words, you can see glimpses of them.

>> What drew you to poetry? <<

My parents. My name (Elizabeth Barrette) kind of gives it away.

>> What keeps you interested? <<

The way that poetry sounds and feels when read. The fact that it can say sideways things that are difficult or impossible to say straight.

>> What are good ways to share of love with non-poetry enthusiasts?<<

First, choose good poems. Too many people have been told that lousy poems are great, and consequently conclude that poetry is stupid.

Second, choose poems that relate to the other person's experiences and/or interests. This is especially important if they're outside the privileged height of society, you need poems written by people like them. I've gotten black students hooked on Langston Hughes, for instance, who cared nothing for the white canon.

Third, put poetry where they're already looking. Put it on billboards or buses. Put it on your blog. Tape it in elevators. Print it on bookmarks at a library. Then it will catch their attention.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2012-04-10 08:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
It is a really common misconception that literature for children is somehow lower quality and less serious. It can be, but some of it is truly great and deserves recognition as such. It really annoys me when people make baseless assumptions like that -- and you've just seen how I respond, backing up the quality with specific examples. Used to piss off my teachers in class, but then most of them were giving horrid advice generally, so I got into the habit of stabbing over-inflated claims with pointy facts.

I think one reason that poetry has escaped to the internet is because this is a place where you can write fanfic, download porn, and nobody cares. You can share poetry, whatever kind you want to write and read, without some academic asshole getting in your face about it -- or if they do, you can use your services troll-booting features to make them go away. Nobody has to pretend to like stuff they don't, or not like stuff they do, on the internet. So whatever kind of poetry you're into is fine. If you want to analyze Dr. Seuss or retranslate Rumi, that's all cool. I love that about this venue. It removes the bottleneck, smashes the bottle, and uses the pieces to make beachglass jewelry.

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