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lnhammer ([personal profile] lnhammer) wrote in [community profile] poetree2012-09-24 07:27 am

Meta: intro to sonnet week

I'm [personal profile] lnhammer, and I'll be hosting a week on sonnets.

You can find as almost many definitions of a sonnet as you can prosodists: fourteen lines, rhyming, yadda yadda. "Rhyming," yes, but exactly how is not important. In fact, historically a particular rhyme scheme has never been a defining characteristic of sonnets -- the now-standard abbaabba octave of the various Italian schemata wasn't introduced until a generation after the form was invented in the early 13th century (using abababab).

The closest thing to a definitive marker is 14 lines containing an asymmetric two-part structure with a "turn" of thought, volta in Italian, slightly more than halfway through, most orthodoxly giving it a 8+6 structure (as emphasized by Italian rhyme schemes) but sometimes moved a line or two in either direction. But even that definition can be carped at, given that Elizabethan rhyme schemes with their final couplet often suggest using a 12+2 argument.

But enough of that. This week I'd like to explore some other aspects of sonnets -- starting with my next post later today.

Until then, though, a question: how do YOU define a sonnet?

---L.
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[personal profile] gramina 2012-09-24 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Incidentally, one piece that's not a sonnet, but is built on a sonnet structure, is this one: http://gramina.dreamwidth.org/18527.html

The first ten lines are pretty acceptably sonnet-like; the remaining four lose one foot in each line -- line 11 is four feet, line 12 is three feet, line 13 is two feet, and line 14 is one foot -- deliberately, as part of the point of the poem. I *think* it works; I don't know.

Are there other poems that take a form like a sonnet and then twisted it to make a particular thematic point?
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[personal profile] gramina 2012-09-24 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! And yeah, I definitely would *not* call it a sonnet! It's an Alzheimer's-y twisting of something that started out looking sort of sonnet-like, but I think it's not any formal "form" at all.